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J'Dai Voisin
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As long as the PW intends to offer a multiplayer experience, they have "the right" - as much as any of us do - to use the schedule functionality.
I agree, I wish they were a bit more prudent and used some restraint, but that's an issue for the site designers (I suppose).
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I wouldn't worry to much about the PW games, if you look at the game schedule, you'll see that nobody here participates anyway. I think, eventually, these "advertisers" will stop posting if they continue to get no results from NWC members.
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I found an introductory DM'ed game on a PW this way (which I enjoyed very much), when I couldn't find one in the normal way. Considering my time zone (GMT 2) and my newby status, I find it difficult to find suitable games on NWC. They are few and far between and at awkward times. These introductory DM'ed events on PWs are a good way for a newby to get some early experience with team-based DM'ed games. Frankly, the lack of suitable non-PW games on NWC is likely to push me into PWs permanently.
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You have a very good point, Galadriel. However, if you see a game you are interested in, even if it is invite only, most DM's will gladly accept another player as long as there is room. It would still be nice if more of the experienced DM's would organise events that weren't invite only. I would do it myself, but I have no experience at being DM in this environment and I'm afraid I couldn't provide an acceptable gaming experience at this point.
The PW intros are a good way to get started on that particular PW, however, the DM's will not always be available to provide you with the same quality type of game. It is very difficult to use PW's as a regular game stop for a group of players as a DM is needed to provide the role-playing most of us seek. Believe me, I have experienced this.
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I’ve being playing NWN for some years now, and spent long time on PW. I came here looking for schedule quality games, especially with DM’s, because that is something you don’t usually find on PW. They come rarely and run a game for few players, and then nothing, no activity for long time. I got tired and came here, and so far I found quality and lot of fun. However, it is not easy to find a game lately, especially for newbie’s, those that have some time know how to contact DM and the sort, but not newcomers, and campaign on PW is an option for them, so if they find players, good, everybody wins something.
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on May 22, 2005, 12:12 PM, Boomer wrote:Ok maybe its been said before, but this player is getting sick of seeing 5 games set up just so someone can make sure their PW is advertised everyday.
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We do see this every 3 months or so. A PW will list their game 5 or more times a day everyday of the week and it is annoying. No one ever wanted them not to advertise. But do it in a proper manner. List your game every day if you must, but only list it once and explain in the description that is is a PW and is up all the time and post when players will most likely be on at the same time as the DM.
on May 23, 2005, 3:02 AM, mannedoc wrote:| However, it is not easy to find a game lately, especially for newbie’s, |
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As far as games lately, I think I have seen more games offered lately then in many months. In just the last couple weeks I have seen about 4-5 NEW campaigns starting and they are posted in the Player Connection looking for players. So this is actually a very good time for new players to be here and be able to get in on a new campaign. I have seen Dark Anya posting a new campaign, DM Kadarr, Le Frog, I have seen Hoyasaxa looking for a player or two and a couple others as well.
The thing we can't do anything about for the new players except try to explain, and get them to read the New Player manuel, is the fact that they usually come here looking to play, like the minute the create an account. And that really is not the heart of this site. The one shot is few and fair between. That just isn't the style that appeals to everyone here. We generally want at least a mini campaign of 3-4 nights. The long term DM and player, and long term campaign is what has sustained this site over the years and why the retention rate of the long term players and DMs is so well here. Look at the other posts here about How Many Old Timers and long Time Players etc.. Once the new players see what is really offered here, and what the site is really about, they should have no problems finding a weekly game. At least not lately. As I said, if you take a lok in the Player Connection, just at the first page, their are many new campaigns and openings being offered right now.
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on May 23, 2005, 6:03 PM, Lazybones wrote:| I'll just point out as well that while the shortage of DMs is always going to be an issue, it is fairly easy to download a scritped mod from the Vault specifically designed for multiplayer, and host it for 3-5 players. It's not as ideal as running a game with a DM IMO, but many people are enjoying games of this sort. |
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That is exactly how my group got started. Eventually, someone got the nerve to DM and a campaign was born. We have now been playing together for 2 years.
I agree the PW adverts is annoying (just to bring it back on topic). I think Rizzen and folks have something planed for them so that they can be here to without ruffling feathers every couple of months.
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This is not the first time I've seen PW bashing here. My take is that they are trying to get people to come and visit, just like we try to get others to visit NWConnections.
Charissa_1066 and Barry. Run Annakolia, a PW. With help from other DM and players here at NWC, they enjoy this medium as much as the next person. I play their from time to time and enjoy it very much.
I got my start as the Primary builder and DM at Mithral Hammer's-The North 1, and I spend a lot of time now at Neverwinter Resurrection (If you remember the Original NWN hosted by AOL from 91 to 97 using the old Gold Box engine by SSI) This is the group from that era. This is a top notch PW that started in 02 and has a strong player/dm base. They don't advertise at all, but they should.
If you could find a good PW to play in, you would never have a problem with someone trying to drum up support here at the home of the most talented, helpful, knowledgeable and forgiving bunch of people I have ever had the pleasure to meet.
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on May 22, 2005, 3:42 PM, ThCromwell wrote:| I wouldn't worry to much about the PW games, if you look at the game schedule, you'll see that nobody here participates anyway. I think, eventually, these "advertisers" will stop posting if they continue to get no results from NWC members. |
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This is not something I would ever wish to see here at NWC. This is a place for people to come and get connected, not the other way around.
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I think the whole point is using the game schedule as an advertisement. Go ahead, schedule a game, but don't schedule three a day for a week or more. If I am not mistaken, there is a PW announcement thread in the forums made for advertising your particular PW. And yes, NWC does advertise, but as far as I know, no NWC members use PW websites for that purpose. If I want to find a good DM'd game to play, I'll check the game schedule. If I want to find a PW, I'll log on to game spy.
If I'm the only one who feels this way, then I won't say anymore about it, after all, most of you have been around here longer than I have and know more about it than I do.
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J'Dai Voisin
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The advertising angle is a valid point. I sort of *forgot* about the feed to Bioware and NWVault - whoops.
on May 24, 2005, 4:12 PM, ThCromwell wrote:| If I'm the only one who feels this way, then I won't say anymore about it, after all, most of you have been around here longer than I have and know more about it than I do. |
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It's not that we as a site don't share your feelings. At the risk of sounding like an old-timer - walking uphill both ways to school in six-feet of snow - this is an old rant. This, like other "rants", comes up every 2-3 months like clockwork. If the situation could be resolved, it would be by now. Instead we stir up the old arguments, feel the pain a bit and wait for it to settle back down.
Sorry to sound so cynical but stuff like this does little to foster community ties. Try as I do, it *can* be difficult to focus on the positive. Rants like this tear at the spirit of the community, even when they are justified.
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on May 24, 2005, 4:27 PM, J'Dai Voisin wrote:| Sorry to sound so cynical but stuff like this does little to foster community ties. Try as I do, it *can* be difficult to focus on the positive. Rants like this tear at the spirit of the community, even when they are justified. |
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I would have to disagree with that. This is just a discussion about the "advertising" of a PW and the proper way to do it.
No one is saying PWs are bad. Many here play, have played, or run their own. The last large discussion on this was started by Poetic C a few months back and went on for a few pages. A lot of good ideas and thoughts were thrown around. Boomer isn't saying he doesn't like or play on PWs, just as Poetic C had stated he is even working on building his on based on Ravenloft I think it was. And he fully intended to advertise it, but just schedule it once and explain what it is, when it runs (all the time in most cases).
That is the only thing that upsets people is seeing the creator post it over and over again everyday.
When a DM here has an opening or a new campaign, you don't see them posting it 10 times in the Player Connection taking up the whole first page.
But, this site does not seem to give the schedulers any sort of rules and hopefully that will change with the new site. So granted, it seems obvious to most here that posting your game over and over everyday is annoying, some how some of the PW builders do not understand that, and with no rules regarding scheduling for them to follow, they post it over and over. Instead of posting it once and simply explaining that it is a PW and runs all the time or almost all the time.
Back to another part of this discussion that was brought up about new players finding games. Hoyasaxa just posted in the Player Connection ANOTHER brand new campagin starting.
Again, this is a good time to be a New PLayer here. Many campaigns to get into. 
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Ok, granted some people go over board, but if the dm is posting times for when he'll be running a tour or mini quest, etc. Then that's cool. He's just giving folks a heads up to when he'll be on.
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Ok, J'Dai, I see this subject has been brought foward before and I won't speak on it again.
How about a seperate game schedule just for persistant worlds?
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J'Dai Voisin
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on May 24, 2005, 5:51 PM, ThCromwell wrote:Ok, J'Dai, I see this subject has been brought foward before and I won't speak on it again.
How about a seperate game schedule just for persistant worlds? |
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You, my friend, are the new King of Revived Topics.  That suggestion has been made, as well as a few others, in an attempt to sequester the PW traffic.
To be fair, it's not your fault you are missing some of the "old material". There's a lot to read here and - thanks to a fat and juicy bug - a lot of stuff falls off after Page 4. *shrugs*
Allow me to cut to the chase. We are all eagerly awaiting the next generation of this site, which is why you aren't getting much in the way of "enthusiastic" feedback on this topic. It's hard for anyone to guess what the future of the site holds, but we are optimistic that some of these issues will be resolved in a fair manner.
You raise good questions, dear. You are just a step or two behind the trend. 
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